"Berang" (berang)
11/10/2016 at 01:51 • Filed to: maybe it's a realization that voting for him as a joke wasn't such a funny idea afterall?
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"Berang" (berang)
11/10/2016 at 01:51 • Filed to: maybe it's a realization that voting for him as a joke wasn't such a funny idea afterall? | 2
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Political tangent under the cut...
So can anybody explain why trump supporters are acting like a bunch of bratty kids who just got caught cheating? I don’t get the whole sore winner attitude thing I’m seeing so much of right now.
It’s beyond unsportsmanlike gloating, it’s more like petulant whining, braying, and soiling oneself even though they got their way. I don’t get it. I mean I’d think one would be happy trump won if you voted for him, instead of freaking out. ¯\_()_/¯
GhostZ
> Berang
11/10/2016 at 02:02 |
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Trump has 68% unfavorability ratings. George Bush at his worst was 71%, and no modern president has ever been worse than that. I think a lot of republicans still would rather have literally any other candidate, as long as it wasn’t hilary. Yes, they won, but no one is happy with the outcome.
His fact-checking score is also exceptionally bad.
Flavien Vidal
> Berang
11/10/2016 at 02:05 |
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What I really don’t understand with US elections, is why some votes are more important and worth more than others? When looking at newspapers, people talk about the “landslide” against Clinton... But do people realize that more americans voted for Clinton than for Trump?? Not to mention that with the republican party complaining about “rigged election”, this is the second time in 16 years that they end up with an elected president in spite of having more americans supporting and voting for the democrat candidate...
I guess not all americans are equal and not all their vote count as much... Kind of weird for what is supposed to be the land of equal opportunities :)
Decay buys too many beaters
> Berang
11/10/2016 at 02:06 |
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I don’t/didn’t support Trump, but I’m seeing a whole lot more sore losers around me.
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Berang
> Decay buys too many beaters
11/10/2016 at 02:07 |
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Being a sore loser is understandable. Shitting all over everybody when your vote won isn’t.
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Flavien Vidal
> Decay buys too many beaters
11/10/2016 at 02:08 |
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Well, as I just mentioned, more people voted for Hillary than for Trump. If it were my country, I’d be mad too lol.
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Decay buys too many beaters
> Flavien Vidal
11/10/2016 at 02:14 |
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I agree totally with your post below, but both candidates and the population knew the rules going in. It is childish to complain about agreed upon rules after they don’t work out in your favor. Anger is understandable, fear is understandable, lashing out against all the people that “took this away from you” like a spoiled brat is shameful.
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Decay buys too many beaters
> Berang
11/10/2016 at 02:15 |
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Guess I just haven’t seen that, most of the known Trump supporters in my circles have been alarmingly humble.
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Berang
> Flavien Vidal
11/10/2016 at 02:17 |
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The electoral vote system is nearly totally nonsensical. The people vote, the majority winner for each state gets that state’s electoral votes. Usually. Because the elector who is supposed to cast the electoral vote doesn’t necessarily have to cast the vote the people gave them. Which means that although a state almost always gets given to one candidate, on rare occasions the electoral votes are split. Also two states split electors, so that occasionally those states will cast electoral votes for different candidates...
Basically it’s contrived and nonsensical, and in a way nobody’s vote actually counts for anything. But it is useful when you want to steal an election.
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Berang
> Decay buys too many beaters
11/10/2016 at 02:20 |
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Well, they’re not really agreed upon rules. Lots of people take issue with the system and have for decades. Knowing the rules is different that agreeing with them. I don’t see why anybody shouldn’t be mad about their vote not counting.
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Flavien Vidal
> Decay buys too many beaters
11/10/2016 at 02:23 |
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They also voted for someone who complained about the system being rigged and specifically mentioned that if elected, he would get rid of the electoral college. Do you think he’ll do it? Nope and the same mess would likely occur again. it’s the second time in only 16 years that this happen and both time defaulted the same party. As I said, if I had to deal with such system, I’d be pissed... :)
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Decay buys too many beaters
> Berang
11/10/2016 at 02:30 |
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I hate the electoral college. That said, it is the way of things currently. Both sides (the powers that actually run the election) agreed to use this fucked system to determine this election. Hopefully this gives us the impetus we need to change it, but to yell and scream about it and expect any change in the results here is childish and naive.
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Decay buys too many beaters
> Flavien Vidal
11/10/2016 at 02:34 |
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Oh I am pissed. But I’ve seen so many people I’m connected with naively thinking they’ll be able to somehow magic away the electoral college here/now and make Hillary the victor. Not so.
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Berang
> Decay buys too many beaters
11/10/2016 at 02:37 |
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There are actually measures underway to eliminate the electoral college, or ways to at least make it better reflect actual votes , but no big surprise these efforts have been blocked by that one party that usually benefits from low voter turnout and obstructionist shenanigans. When you realize one party works to ensure every vote doesn’t matter, you begin to see why some people get so angry about it.
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Decay buys too many beaters
> Berang
11/10/2016 at 02:46 |
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I just became aware of this earlier today. Like it a lot
Sneaky Pete
> Decay buys too many beaters
11/10/2016 at 02:55 |
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Same here. Riots, shutting down the freeways in mt area...Trophies for everyone generation.
Birddog
> Berang
11/10/2016 at 03:00 |
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The sore losers are
rioting
protesting in the streets. What’s the difference? Some random (white) guy in Chicago incoherently ranted on a Black reporter earlier on how as an African American his vote didn’t count.
These are supposed to be the “educated” voters?
They’re acting like little kids.
ptak appreciates old racecars
> Berang
11/10/2016 at 03:01 |
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Is that a Renault?
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Berang
> ptak appreciates old racecars
11/10/2016 at 03:02 |
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I believe it is an Autocar.
Krieger (@FSKrieger22)
> Berang
11/10/2016 at 03:03 |
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Because those you are seeing are most likely bratty kids. Who are willing to drown their own homes and kill the crops that feed them just to spite someone they think is a blue-haired girl who had the temerity to outplay them at Counter-Strike: Global Offensive and refuse their romantic advances.
Who most likely aren’t even registered to vote. That’s right, they’re claiming the Rust Belt’s desperation for a solution (regardless of how pie in the sky it is) is actually their demands for change.
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Birddog
> Flavien Vidal
11/10/2016 at 03:04 |
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From a friend.
“With
the popular vote, areas of higher population will have more influence
in government. So ... would you want Texans to be the ones to decide all
of the laws made?
The electoral college balances this
out and makes sure that each state has a fair representation in
government. Not only that, but it forces presidential candidates to
focus on the needs and desires of ALL the states, not just the high
population ones.
This also gives better representation
to minorities because they have a higher chance of influencing a state
as opposed to the entire country (minorities tend to cluster into small
groups so they have higher populations in certain states. This is why
it’s good. They vote for the candidate that they want the state electors
to vote for. Think it through. It’s very difficult to explain).
In reality... what you don’t want is the “winner take all” system. It has nothing to do with the electoral college.”
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Berang
> Birddog
11/10/2016 at 03:05 |
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Who said anything about educated? I just want to know why so many trump supporters have such shitty attitudes despite winning. I don’t get it. I don’t know if his win is fuel for trolls, or if maybe these people are acting out because of some sort of insecurity or something. It just seems bizarre.
Being mad about losing is one thing, being mad about winning though makes no sense. So much anger seemingly stemming from success. I don’t get it.
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Berang
> Krieger (@FSKrieger22)
11/10/2016 at 03:10 |
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Well I know a lot of people voted for him and aren’t happy about it, but strangely they’re not the ones who seem so angry about it. So maybe it is just brats wanting to be part of something.
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Flavien Vidal
> Birddog
11/10/2016 at 03:15 |
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We are taking about american people electing their own president. Why does it matter where an american is from? Aren’t you all supposed to be equal?? If the majority of the US lives in the south with conservative thinking, be it. If not, be it also.
And how is that working? I don’t see Clinton or Trump campaigning in Wyoming or Montana. These states have small amounts of electoral sieges and always vote the same way anyway.
What matters is what happens in congress and this is being voted by the state directly who elects its representative.
At the end of the day you have californian who just think “Yeah, I don’t need to go vote, my state is democrat anyway...”. While Mississippi voters don’T care either, other people will go elect republican grand voters for them. At the end of the day, less than 1/3 of the total US population votes and most people know their vote is not important. Unless they live in Florida, Ohio or New Hampshire of course.
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Krieger (@FSKrieger22)
> Berang
11/10/2016 at 03:20 |
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Well, the vocal false equivalency types already abstained or voted third party. So that leaves those who would have voted Republican anyway (probably not happy), the desperate (would have voted for anyone offering change regardless of satisfaction with the candidate) and Joe- I mean the deplorables (just flip the establishment the bird, damn the consequences).
The third group is most vocal online, but are lacking in civics education in matters like knowing how to actually vote.
Well, at least it is on the Red side, in Dem online circles we’re seeing this:
Washing your hands of a candidate after they lose is not a postmortem...
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Flavien Vidal
> Birddog
11/10/2016 at 03:27 |
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Yeah, some people are indeed marching in the street, screaming and being generally unhappy. You know, exercing their first amendment. Do you want me to point to Alex Jones and his millions of followers pumping everyone to take their guns and fight if Hillary were to win, because had she won, the elections would have been clearly rigged?
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Birddog
> Flavien Vidal
11/10/2016 at 03:46 |
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I can’t get that deep right now. I just got off of a double shift and only have 12 beers.
I can say with a bit of certitude that the last mid-term should have been a sign to the Dems to be extremely careful. A Republican was going to win this election. It didn’t really matter who it was. I bet Sarah Palin partnered with Ross Perot could have won this one.
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Flavien Vidal
> Birddog
11/10/2016 at 04:00 |
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Yeah, Clinton was a indeed a pretty terrible choice to be gin with... I think it’s pretty fair to say that amost anyone else would have won against Trump lol
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Birddog
> Flavien Vidal
11/10/2016 at 04:07 |
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I can’t think of who it could have been but yes. Drag Gore out of retirement. He would have done better. Clinton is a tarnished name. Bill defined mysogeny. Depending on your definition of what “is” is that is.
DipodomysDeserti
> Birddog
11/10/2016 at 06:32 |
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Hi, welcome to America, where protesting is a protected and accepted form of expression. You may have us confused with some other nation. Russia is that way. The president elect should able to help you find it.
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Birddog
> DipodomysDeserti
11/10/2016 at 06:45 |
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It’s not my first go round the Sun, Comrade. It is what it is. You won’t rewind time by flying around the world backwards.
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DipodomysDeserti
> Birddog
11/10/2016 at 07:02 |
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The point of the protests is to show that the majority who didn’t vote for Trump aren’t going to sit quietly when they start trying to enact retrograde policies. Your superman analogy should be aimed at the guys trying to go back to 1950s America.
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Birddog
> DipodomysDeserti
11/10/2016 at 07:18 |
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1950s? No. Hell man! I’m not that old. I appreciate the Hipster embrace of Hats.
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DipodomysDeserti
> Birddog
11/10/2016 at 08:11 |
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I think hipsters are more into the 1850s style of hats. And now that I think of it, with all the Andrew Jackson talk, Trump supporters are kind of into that era of politics as well. Plot twist: Trump supporters are actually hipsters.
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Birddog
> DipodomysDeserti
11/10/2016 at 08:18 |
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Yeah. that’s it. You have me pegged down.
Wait! Comic books? You didn’t call them “graphic novels”? We may be in the same book.. Different pages.
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DipodomysDeserti
> Birddog
11/10/2016 at 08:21 |
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You read my pre edited comment. But +1 on the graphic novels comment.
wiffleballtony
> Berang
11/10/2016 at 08:51 |
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Because Trump was elected on a platform of anger and resentment.
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Birddog
> DipodomysDeserti
11/10/2016 at 09:19 |
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I’m not here to argue. That was never my intention.
I appreciate your views and thanks for the +1. I thought it was funny.
It’s the USMC birthday today and I had to step back for a second. Everyone has a voice. A lot of fighting went into that. Right or wrong, left or right. We’re all in this together.
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DipodomysDeserti
> Birddog
11/10/2016 at 09:35 |
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I realized that which is why I changed my reply. Semper Fi!
Sir_Stig: and toxic masculinity ruins the party again.
> GhostZ
11/10/2016 at 09:56 |
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It’s something absurd like 75%, when you tell a higher percentage of lies than the percentage of people that like you there might be a problem.
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Berang
> Birddog
11/10/2016 at 14:23 |
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Except that doesn’t make sense when the people are voting for their president. The president is a leader for all people, so it doesn’t really matter if one state has less voters than another. Throwing away people’s votes to contrive a special advantage for certain areas is rather backwards for selecting a president.
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Berang
> Birddog
11/10/2016 at 14:32 |
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Who cares? It’s a free country. They’re allowed to do it even if it changes nothing. But at least they’re showing people they’re not going to get bent over a barrel willingly.
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Berang
> wiffleballtony
11/10/2016 at 14:33 |
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And promises of free ice cream for the rich.
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GhostZ
> Sir_Stig: and toxic masculinity ruins the party again.
11/10/2016 at 17:16 |
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The problem is that because of deep partisanship, it means that only about 400,000 people in the rust belt states and florida get to choose our next president and direct how the world moves now.
These people, from the election demographics, are mostly white, uneducated middle-class manufacturing workers with 10% unemployment or higher. Saying “we’re going to make the world better for your kids” doesn’t really help them as much as “we’re going to get you a job, because I’m on your side, not theirs.”
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ptak appreciates old racecars
> Berang
11/11/2016 at 04:23 |
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Innerressing. Would drive.
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Berang
> ptak appreciates old racecars
11/11/2016 at 12:46 |
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They were one of the first companies to adopt shaft drive and left hand drive. Although oddly they were also one of the last to give up tiller steering.
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ptak appreciates old racecars
> Berang
11/12/2016 at 02:05 |
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Huh, interesting. And that does look like it should have a steering wheel... what is that, 1905-ish?
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Berang
> ptak appreciates old racecars
11/12/2016 at 02:21 |
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I think so. They seem to have gotten wheels around 1905-06.